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61 and winter months and stated that places are needed where dogs can run. Ms. Haskins stated that she thought the proposed blanket prohibition was over-reaching and overly restrictive Mr. Joe David, Foxbrook Lane, stated that he enjoys the City's diversity and feels the proposed ordinances are overkill and would make the City a much less attractive place to live. Mr. Paul Saunier, 1400 Rugby Road and a member of the City's Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee, stated that the proposed ordinances parallel those in Albemarle County as well as many other localities. Mr. Saunier stated that dogs on golf courses have been a problem and playful dogs can be frightening to residents. Mr. Saunier stated that the Parks Committee had recommended that the leash requirement apply only to property managed by the Parks and Recreation Department. Mr. Saunier stated that he thought the proposed ordinance was broader than that recommended by the Committee. Mr. John Yellott, 311 East Market Street, opposed both ordinances as overly broad. Mr. Yellott stated that he thought it was reasonable to ban dogs from active golf courses. Ms. Slaughter noted that the proposed Ordinance exempts Azaleas and two other parks, perhaps Quarry and Mclntire, from the leash requirement. Mr. Johnny Garrett, 3 I0 B Azalea Drive, stated that he takes his dog to Azalea park but expressed concern that if only three parks are exempted then problems will begin to occur with too many dogs in these areas. Mr. Peter Kessler, 718 A tvladison Avenue, stated that he regularly takes his dog to Washington Park and it would be a problem to him and others if only certain parks were available to use. Mr. Kessler stated that he would be willing to donate his time to do research on the issue. Mr. Larry Herbert, 720 Northwood Avenue, stated that he generally supported the "pooper scooper" ordinance, but felt it needed to be fine tuned to limit it to areas used by people. Regarding the leash ordinance, Mr. Herbert stated that it is already difficult to have a dog in the City and it is important to have greenspace for dogs to run. Mr. Herbert noted that dog obedience classes are held at Pen Park and requiring leashes there would create problems for this class. Ms. Lucy Wallenborn, 700 Rugby Road, read a letter she had written to the Mayor expressing concern about requiring people to clean up after their dogs when people throughout her neighborhood do not clean up their trash. Ms. Mary Hirst, 2560 A Naylor Street, opposed the leash ordinance except that she supported restricting dogs on the golf course, and stated that she feels most dog owners are responsible and urged Council not to take away what she feels are dog owners' rights and privileges. A resident agreed that dogs should be kept off the golf course, cemeteries, the downtown mall, and perhaps small downtown parks where people are having lunch, but felt that allowing dogs run adds to the pleasure of the City. Mr. John Conover, 104 West High Street and Chair of the Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee, stated that apparently unleashed dogs create some degree of a problem but feels that it is an open question as to how much of a problem it is, but noted that Parks and Recreation staff.think it is somewhat of a problem. Ms. Nancy Long, 509 Lexington Avenue, stated that she feels it is the responsibility of dog owners to keep their pets under control. Ms. Long stated that a broad range of people use the Greenbelt Park and perhaps Pen Park would be a better place designated to allow dogs to nm if a better distinction was made between the path and golf course. Ms. Long stated that she thought good signage would assist people in knowing what rules exist in