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12 Mr. James Nohremberg, 1874 Wayside Place, endorsed the former two speakers' comments. He said that people on the lower part of the street are not having a problem. He agreed with passing the ordinance to incorporate the area within a permit parking zone to be ready if necessary. Mr. Nohremberg said that he has deeds that show that he owns the street in front of his house. Mr. Kurt Wassenaar, representing the Thomas Jefferson Memorial Church at 717 Rugby Road, said that the church has been an integral part of the neighborhood since 195 I, but has not been involved in the neighborhood meetings about this issue. Mr. Wassenaar said permit parking could have tremendous impacts on the church as it is very actively used for a variety of functions, including the church pre-school. Mr. Wassenaar said the church currently has 55 off-street parking spaces and exploring to see if more spaces can be added. Mr. Wassenaar asked that the church be involved in the process and that the church's needs be taken into consideration. He said that the church is generally supportive of the proposal and is aware of the issue with student parking. Mr. Morton Roberts, 1826 Wayside Place, said that the parking situation is a concept with no one size fits all solution. Mr. Roberts said that the upper half of Wayside Place has become a parking lot, and parking at the fraternities and apartment houses is inadequate and they hold parties at all hours ofthe night, Mr, Robert said the neighborhood also experiences raucous noise from cars, racing cars, and bottle breaking. Mr. Roberts said he would favor extending the current permit parking on University Circle to Wayside Place. Mr. Art Kiser, 1872 Edgewood Lane, interim chairman of the neighborhood association, said he met with Rev. Morris of Thomas Jefferson Memorial Church and made him aware of the permit parking proposal. Mr. Kiser said that while the neighbors are tolerant ofnorrcad church services, parking for evening activities spill over into the neighborhood. Mr. Kaiser said representatives of the church will be invited to the next meeting. Mr. Rich Pettus, 1821 Winston Road, said that he has been in touch with seven of the ten residents on Cottage Road and they oppose permit parking at this time. Mr. Pettus said that two of the residents on Cottage Road do not have off-street parking. Mr. Peter Kleeman, 407 Hedge Street, said he is concerned about permit parking in general, and said it should not be looked at as a solution to noise and trash. He said it is also a bad idea to try to use it to keep people out of neighborhoods. Mr. Kleeman said that if the permit parking provisions are approved, special accommodations will need to be made for overnight guests. Mr. Kleeman said that the process used to designate other permit parking streets throughout the City, using counts and petitions, should be used in University neighborhoods. Ms. Elizabeth Kutchai, 528 Valley Road, said her neighborhood has had permit parking for years, but she is not sure what it will be like if it is extended to weekends. Ms. Kutchai said the City might want to think about how it will be enforced because if it is not enforced, it does no good. Mr. Mort Fowler, Eton Road, said he uses University facilities, such as Alderman Library, on weekends and evenings, and if parking is restricted in the adjoining neighborhoods it will restrict his access as he cannot afford to use the parking garage. As there were no further speakers, the public hearing was closed. Responding to a question from Mr. Cox, Mr. Craig Brown, City Attorney, said there are no exceptions for the church in the proposed ordinance. Mr. Cox asked if it would be possible to craft an exception for the church, and Mr. Tolbert said it would need to be studied.