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3 Mr. Svetz said he thinks the YMCA could serve the competitive swimming need. Ms. Hamilton said that if we offer learn to swim programs, the participants in those programs will want to do competitive swimming later, and we should plan for that. Dr. Brown said he would like to see if we can try to build a new facility. He said perhaps we can also create more green space. He said we need more specifics on the cost. He said both of the pools are now tremendously inefficient, and replacing them makes sense. He suggested that staff come back in a month with the cost to create a new facility. Mr. Norris agreed and said we should hold off on making any repairs. Mr. Taliaferro agreed, but said he would like more information. He said he is in favor of a new pool. Mr. Svetz said a schematic design can be done in conjunction with the Boys and Girls Club. Ms. Hamilton said if we build a new pool at Smith, it takes the operating costs for Crow off the table. She said she is in favor of both decisions points. Mr. Norris asked Mr. Svetz to give some thought as to what it might look like to have a single combined facility. Mr. Lynch said he thinks decisions one and two have to be made before making a decision on the YMCA proposal. He said he really wants to know the specifics on the neighborhood centers and Smith before making a decision on the YMCA. Mr. Norris said he disagrees with Mr. Lynch about one and two being the most important decisions. He said the real problem is with the lack of positive activities for teens. He said the YMCA is not a lower priority for him. Mr. Svetz said there is the opportunity for the City to partner with the YMCA on a 75,000 square foot facility on the west side of McIntire Park adjacent to Charlottesville High School. Mr. Kurt Kruger, YMCA Board Member, presented an overview of the YMCA mission. He said the goal is to build a 75,000 square foot facility for Charlottesville and Albemarle residents, at an estimated cost of $14 to $15 million. He said they are conducting a $10 million capital campaign, and have received a $2 million pledge from Albemarle County. He said they would like the City to pledged $2 million as well. He said the YMCA will never come back to the City to ask for operating costs. He said the YMCA serves children, teens, young adults and seniors. He said the YMCA builds on programs offered by the Boys and Girls Club. He said they have raised $7 million and have a $300,000 grant from the Perry Foundation that requires that they have a ground lease by September 30, 2007. He said Piedmont Virginia Community College has agreed to give them property for a facility. He said they would like the City to agree to partner with the YMCA and work out a ground lease agreement. Ms. Hamilton asked if the land value figures into the pledge amount requested. Mr. Kruger said the proposal is that the City give the land in addition to the $2 million. Mr. Lynch said his concern is that people tend to look at parks as unused land. He said if we give four acres to the YMCA, where do we get the extra four acres of parkland. He said the park land is probably worth more than $2 million. Mr. Svetz said the parkland has been assessed by the City Assessor at $240,000. Mr. Lynch expressed concern that the assessment is much too low.